Обсуждение аниме Chihayafuru

[Jun-90]

Цитата: Сообщение от Raven paradox  но выбрал я в итоге Дримеров. Надеюсь, не ошибся.

Лучший перевод у команды 2S-Soujo
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[Raven paradox]

Досмотрел до онгоинга, или хорошо, что сегодня выходной. Посмотрел залпом, чего давно не случалось. Захватывает.

В чём всегда заключалась проблема сёдзе для меня (но я не знаток! вполне вероянто, всё ниже написанное - бред человека, от сёдзе безумно далекого), так это в главной героине. Она всегда красива, трудолюбива, альтруистична, упорна, добра, мила и пр. Этакий сферический идеал в вакууме. Их недостатки мелкие и комичные, а несут они только добро и обожание. Что делает их прекрасными людьми и скучными персонажами.
Собственно, не верю, что это осталось незамеченным. От стереотипов нужно уходить. Почему же мангака этого не сделал? Не знаю. Только представьте, какой ГГ могла бы быть Королева - куда более интересный в плане эмоциональности и поведения типаж + офигительная внешность (обожаю брюнеток с короткой стрижкой).
Вообще, стало очевидно, главный недостаток этого аниме - слишком мало Королевы. Слишком мало!

Итог последних серий:
+: Появилась Королева.
+: Нравится, как развивается сюжетная линия Тайти. Небанально, интересно, уделяется много внимания. Так держать.
+: Соревнования получились интригующие.
-: Линия Араты всё так же невыразимо скучна, а он сам - всё тот же однобокий набросок. Либо стоит уделить ему больше внимания, тщательнее проработать, либо дистанцировать от повествования вообще, как "вечную цель".

п.с. 16 серия - пример качественного рекапа. Все бы так делали.
п.п.с. запрашиваю в тему больше арта с Королевой. Плз.
п.п.п.с. так понимаю, на английский манга переведена недостаточно далеко, чтобы можно было продолжить читать? Печально всё это.

[Raven paradox]

Цитата: Сообщение от Persimmon  Лучший перевод у команды 2S-Soujo http://www.fansubs.ru/forum/viewtopi...er=asc&start=0

Они стихи не переводят!!!

Очень понравилось, как провели аналогию между маленьким вундеркиндом и начинающей ГГ. Теперь уже она занимала место "опытного игрока". Прогрессирует деточка-то не по дням, а по часам.
Серия, казалось бы, просто хорошая, но камео Королевы делает её замечательной.

Даже в онгоинге смотрится приятно. +.

[Raven paradox]

В итоге, я тут похоже один его досматривать остался?
Ну и ладно.

К финалу темп немного упал, Королева набрала пару-тройку килограммов, но последняя серия достаточно годная. Если продажи не подкачают, через пару лет продолжению быть.

Подводя черту... нетленный шедевр? Вряд ли. Лучший сёдзе-спокон эвер? Не знаю.
Несмотря на очевидные плюсы в виде проработанных персонажей, обычного споконовского драйва и напряжения, отличной картинки, и уютненькой атмосферы, такие минусы как убогий любовный треугольник, любовь к милым махровым штампам, странная игра в основе сюжета... не позволили Тихайе снести мне башку.
Но несколько приятных вечеров мне этот сериал доставил, и уж точно стоил потраченного времени. Искреннее спасибо.

[Raven paradox]

Так, я не знаю, читает ли кто-то эту тему, и не уверен, что писать о спойлерах манги тут уместно... Но где, если не здесь?

89-91 главы:

Chapter 89
The final match in Class A starts. Shinobu takes first two cards in her own territory, but Arata almost gets them too. This is where he remembers what his grandfather used to say, "Arata, remember this: what ruins people is advantage". When the next card is read, he goes for a wrong one at first, but quickly corrects himself and takes the right one at a breakneck speed. Seeing that, Shinobu realizes, "Sorry, guys, but looks like today I will have to divide you into the cards I must take and the cards I can afford to sacrifice..." Yes, she's talking to the cards. In other matches she obviously went for every card, but now has to weight and balance out efforts and concentration in order not to lose the cards she has higher chances at taking.

The scene changes to what's going on in Class B. Both Rion and Taichi commit a fault, which surprises them both and the rest of the audience.

Meanwhile Kana-chan notices several readers in the room and how tense the person doing the reading is. She figures that this match also doubles as an exam for readers. The reader stammers and coughs, which creates difficulties and additional mental strain for the two finalists, especially Rion. But Rion's fighting spirit is back when she sees all her friends who silently cheer for her.

Taichi starts gettting pushed by Rion's superior reflexes. He figures that with an opponent who has higher reaction speed on the first sound, putting cards that start with the same sound all in one place is disadvanteous, so he tries the tactics of separating similar cards. He decides to go with the same thing Shinobu decided to do in her match with Arata, that is, to sacrifice all the cards that his opponent has a much better chance at taking, concentrating instead on the other cards. "I'm gonna have to sacrifice all the one-syllable cards. It's not gonna look cool, but..." He remembers something Harada-sensei told them, "The talant, the game sense is important in karuta. But at the same time, in karuta it can be that you take 10 cards and "pick up" 15."

Picking up cards refers to the situation when your opponent's reaction is delayed for some reason or they make a mistake, and you easily take a card. And, since there are 25 cards each of the opponents has in the beginning, you win if you can clear 25 cards before your opponent. It doesn't matter if you're fast or slow as long as you take 25 cards before your opponent does.

An interesting thought crosses Taichi's mind, "I want to win a match against Chihaya some day - I don't care if it won't be by many cards, just by 1 card... just by 1 card is OK as long as I win against her." He also remebers how he came across Suou Hisashi (the current Meijin) without knowing who he was, and Suou asked him a question, "Are you Class A?" and when Taichi replied negative, Suou lost interest saying he was only interested in Class A players. I believe this moment was omitted in the anime, unfortunately. It hurt Taichi back then and now he's full of determination to become Class A at long last.

And Taichi wins. After having lost in the finals 2 times before, this time he wins by 9 cards, and the final card he takes is 'Chiha'.

Once the match is over, Taichi rushes over to Chihaya and starts pulling her towards the door to make it in time to see Class A finals, but Chihaya can't go anywhere at the moment: too overwhelmed with the thought that Taichi is finally a Class A player she starts crying. When he sees that, tears well up in his eyes as well, and we have a touching scene with two crying people there...


Chapter 90
So, Chihaya cries, but a few seconds later her face amuzingly changes, when she realizes, "A rival!" Yes, as a Class A players, Taichi is now also her rival.

Taichi urges Chihaya to go watch the Class A finals without wasting another second, but Chihaya hesitates, so Kana-chan reassures her, "It's OK to go, Chihaya-chan."

Kana-chan and Sumire go back to the game room, and we see an excited Tsukuba there. He's in Class D finals! Kana and Sumire, however, don't pay attention to him... poor guy.

Taichi and Chihaya aren't the only ones from Class B grounds who go to watch Class A finals: Sakurazawa-sensei and Eromu (Fujisaki team's captain; the perv guy who played against Taichi in the team competition and lost), who were cheering for Rion at Class B grounds, head there as well. Yeah, we get to see Eromu's strange boob grabbing hand motions yet again... Anyway, Chihaya suddenly gets scared of watching the match and is unsure if she should enter. That's where Sakurazawa-sensei helps by saying, "If you firmly decided that this [karuta] is the path you want to follow, then there're no such things that you're better off without knowing".

So, Taichi and Chihaya manage to get into the room where the Class A final match is played. Once Chihaya enters the room, she gets that flow-y fluid-y feeling she felt before when watching Arata or Shinobu's karuta, to accentuate the almost inhuman fluidity of their swings.

The game situation when Taichi and Chihaya show up is 5:11 with Arata in the lead. Shinobu tries to determine the reason why the game's going badly for her, "Why the game turned out this way? Maybe because I divided you into the ones I can give up and the ones I must take? And now you all turned away from me..." Yes, she's talking to the cards again. She makes a decision to change her tactics and go for every card. This bears fruit, and she manages to take two cards.

When the next card is read (it's located in Shinobu's formation), it looks like the Queen reacted first and was faster... but the one who takes the card is Arata. Here Nikuman-kun and Eromu (who both lost to Arata in the previous rounds) comment on how amazing Arata is and what his real strong point is, "His forte is not the technique... After my loss to him I know... What's trully amazing about Wataya Arata is---". "The Queen reacted first. Both her reaction and the speed of her swing were fast... Fast, and yet, she got overtaken by him, because of his superacceleration." So, Arata's true weapon is not the fast reaction or the game sense, it's the sheer speed of his swing from the moment he actually reacts and starts moving.

Watching Arata, Nikuman thinks, "The thing about Wataya Arata that is scarier than his superacceleration and his array of weapons is how relaxed he is during the game..." As if to prove this point Arata smiles at Chihaya and Taichi despite being in the middle of a decisive match when he comes to retrieve a card he sent flying from Taichi. Taichi on some instinct managed to catch it when he saw it was headed for Chihaya.

Chihaya recalls what Kana-chan said to her when the cards 'Chihayaburu' and 'Araburu' were brought up, "Chihaya-chan, if I were to compare, then a spinning top comes to mind. It stands perfectly upright and spins at a high speed. It looks like it stands still, not tilting, concentrating all of its power in one axis. It repels everything that touches it and stands unchangingly firm, calm and stable. Chihayaburu." Probably that's how Arata's karuta looks to Chihaya - extremely calm and steady.


Chapter 91
The final match in Class A is almost over. Arata recalls one of his converations with his grandfather. In the flashback Arata says that he couldn't win even after he pictured himself winning. His grandfather says, "How can you play karuta wearing such a scary expression? There are a lot of other things besides picturing yourself winning that come into play in a match. Like, when your body feels the lightest and easiest to move. Or when you enjoy playing karuta the most." So Arata took those words to heart.

He's in the lead 4:9, but Shinobu still has plenty of chances to turn this around: being in the lead in a competitive karuta match means that you have fewer cards left close to you than your opponent, and it becomes more probable that you will have to aim for the cards that are farther away from you but closer to your opponent, so naturally your opponent has higher chance of getting to them first.

Shinobu takes a card from the lower left corner of her territory. She tries to pressure Arata, but it's no use. In the end, Arata protects and takes the last card in his territory, thus winning by 2 cards the match and the championship in the individual competition among high schoolers. This also puts an end to Shinobu's winning streak. The spectators are amazed, "Winning against the Queen who's been undefeated for God knows how many years straight... what an amazing guy!" But not many know that last time Shinobu lost, before beginning her winning streak, it was also to Arata. Meanwhile, Arata's parents don't celebrate their son's victory, "Oh no! We were counting on the Queen's victory so much...!" Now they will have to keep their promise and let Arata enter a uni in Tokyo.

After the customary words of gratitute 'Arigatou gozaimashita' Shinobu smiles and there's a tear running down her cheek. She murmurs, "I really wanted to try and fight you". But Shinobu wasn't in her best condition. Arata gently touches Shinobu's forehead, "You have a fever. You got soaked yesterday and drank cold beverages to boot..." (she stood in the rain in ch.67 and then scared everybody out of their wits by imitating the girl from The Ring). He asks her why she persevered and still played in that condition instead of resting. She replies, "Because I'm the Queen."

Если что, заранее прошу прощения у потенциальных читателей этой темки.
И у администрации тоже. А то они сегодня не в духе, банхаммерами угрожают :З

[Jun-90]

Цитата: Сообщение от Raven paradox  что писать о спойлерах манги тут уместно...

Это глупо, все кто интересуется, и так знают где их взять.

[Raven paradox]

Persimmon, я мог бы извиниться, но... я уже это сделал!
А вообще ты бука.

[zAk1]

Сериал понравился, симпотичная анимация, интересные персонажи. Всё что нужно для сёдзе присутствует. Романтики немного, вторая половина сериала всё больше смахивала на спокон (что меня порадовало)
Так же явно намекнули на продолжение, надеюсь выпустят, с удовольствием посмотрел бы дальше :) Оценка - 8/10.
Королева и Мастер доставляют) Даже когда королева пухлая, хахах))

[Лампа]

Лёгкий и расслабляющий сериал, не шедевр, но свои 150 г счастья я точно получила: погружаясь в атмосферу сериала, хоть на 20 минут, но забываешь обо всех проблемах, расслабляешься, а после просмотра, с новыми силами рвёшься в бой.

[Taka no Me]

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